good hollanders???

as the wheel turns

hello... i am back in town for a short visit.I had my trailer stolen while i was at a bible church in tennesea.so any way .i was talking to turner's old company EST, and met stan van lear, and russ barns..
now see i do know a few people who still seem to be good people.. unless i am wrong. ( and i didn't even add dick alverson to this obviously growing list)
As i told management there before, i was not interested in working there when tom bannash was there( they fired him, or rather told him to leave?) because tome bannash promoted lying cheating stealing robbery embezzelment employee harassment and slander..heck greg johnson mini tom bannish .. robbed over $70,000 yes that is seventy thousand dollars..
and he says he wasn't as big as thief as hil.. who i talked with last month..(tom bannash was big on telling employees to lie and defrad each other and make it hard on them) dean trippp said bannash wanted to build a case against every one.. Don't you know tome bannish is an evil man?
Just as greg johnson daily robbed customers.. he was a neighbor hood thief in pasadena ca where he grew up, and showed me different places he robbed.
Every one in that office told bannish this but you can't tell a dummy any thing ... that's why they are called dummys. so he drummed out the 5 sales support staff and every one else.
When tom bannish comes to town there is an increase in robbery thief and embezzelment and lying.( same thing with greg johnson) birds of a feather flock together.
But this should be common knowledge.. just as fred plont plont tells me gee isn't every one a lier and a thief? According to fred that is all he and the sales staff did in colorado.
So do you know any one else that has good character in this business?
Dan O'keff only seems to hire liers thieves and slanders as his management staff.(roger cannery, dave water in the field, tom bannash, etc) and even you had your turn..
When thermotron shows up .. you have to safe guard your facility..with the pety thieves,liers and embesslers nothing is safe.
mark lammers said to me didn't i know good people don't work at thermotron
Hil sysbesma defined thermotron management as being "pety and vindictive"
Bob wiley set the standard and dan o' keff further developed it.
So do you know of any places that hire good people ?
or is it an industry standard?
Over the years I have found I don't like working with liers thieves and embesslers very much..too cut throat for me. If you are not one of them they attack you.
So, if it is wrong for me to identify them ... opps... i am sorry.. they are all probably gay.. and believe it is just a life style..
ha ha ... laugh laugh.. ya being a lier and a thief is just a life stlye.
.Well Tom bannish told me all you people were stupid and would believe what ever lies he said...
its' just a life stlye..then you die and go to hell .. i would guess.

>From: "Tom Patterson"
>To: "'paul saint'"
>Subject: RE: as always.. humble
>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:25:08 -0500
>
>Greetings Paul,
>
>Speaking of on the road again.......you're heading West? Hopefully some
>place more reasonable to live than California. Personally, with the costs
>and taxes here in Michigan I sure wouldn't make this my first choice.
>There sure were a lot of memories from T-land. Some good, some not. Some
>things that were going on in the field I wish I had been aware of--but, in
>retrospect at least it was something to learn from. I try to follow the "if
>you can't say something good..." philosophy so I won't say too much about
>Thermotron but the last 3 years seem to have made the problems with that
>management theory finally have a major effect on their business. It
>surprises me that it takes so long for results to be seen from both good and
>bad things. I would expect quicker results.
>
>It seems to work for us to be aware of the competition but not sell against
>them or even address them too much in our approach, just concentrate on the
>equipment and what we will do for the customer. I have come to learn that
>there are some bad customers, very few actually, but it's best just to walk
>away and leave those to someone else.
>
>Of course I think we could use more service people but I can't argue against
>the volume numbers I see coming in. The trend is up but not by leaps and
>bounds so we're still in a holding pattern as far as adding people. I
>certainly think you would be an asset. We don't have a wild crew (unless I'm
>missing something again) but then how wild can one guy be? As we get older
>we get wiser.
>To thine own self be true. (and to heck with the rest)
>
>I hope the move works out well and keep in touch.
>
>Best regards,
>Tom
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: paul saint [mailto:p1saint@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:52 PM
>To: tpatterson@espec.com
>Cc: p1saint@angelfire.com
>Subject: as always.. humble
>
>
>
>thanks for letting me vent over these 20+ years..
>
>But if i have ever hurt someone it was not intentional, but interesting hil
>sysbesma referred to the management style as "petty and
>vinidictive..Especallyafter o'kefe brought a law suit agains him for a
>million dallars as recall Hil telling me. When you leave with out his
>permission.
>
>Tom banish's management style as dean tripp(i believe he is 70 years old
>this year or 71) said was"make it hard on him" he wanted to build a case
>against every one..
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>and Tom bannish was very succussful in that .. without a doubt
>
> yes i never really fit in there.
>
>gosh i guess i was a square.. not drinking all that beer at lunch and after
>work.
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>That is why tenbrink and dave durham called me squeky..i guess they were
>wild.. hank william's songs..
>
>"on the road again.. i can't wait to get on the road again" tenbrink
>singing.. kind of like his brother who died young " the cournal " music man
>John even gave me a record that his brother produced.
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>yes john tenbrink was a wild man..
>
>And mardy rich.. got a taste of his style of "leading people astray" this
>appears to be another holland style
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>Holland'ers, church goers
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>particular wird people.. where dishonesty was the policy..
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>But you tom patterson.. always seemed normal..
>
>good job... that's why u are successful
>
>look at these memories.. what a waste of time..
>
>The biggest illusion was i thought it was important.. and nothing the work i
>did there mattered at all. it was just a monkey job..
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>see i did have a blank on my forhead..
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> >From: "Tom Patterson"
> >To: "paul saint"
> >Subject: Re: management and engineering
> >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:55:45 -0500
> >
> >How true.
> >Are you out west avoiding this REAL winter or enjoying it in Michigan with
>the rest of us?
> >Things are slow but steady here. The industry seems in as much trouble as
>I've ever seen it but who can tell what the future brings.
> >Hope things are well with you.
> >
> >Tom P.

dick alverson

From: p saint To: tpatterson@espec.comSubject: dick alverson, hil sys, the wheel turnsDate: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:06:28 -0500hello,, i spoke with dick last week and was surprised to find he was
now 62, and semi retired,,
And with Hil as a west coast sales rep for lunair.. the wheel turns..
but often hil was honest with me and that was a plus.. after the fact
of course
he did say " a man's got to do what a man's got to do"
in retrospect at least it was something to learn from. I try to follow the
"if you can't say something good..." philosophy so I won't say too much about
Tom i tried that and the punk thief i worked with said " i sure made
him look good"
and when i told Fred Plant that then E flowers ended up getting mad at me
, Why because Fred was always a pet and a channel.. and he told me
hemmm any way
It was for me a difficult place to be. i guess i had "stupid" on my
forehead.. and thought the job mattered..
As Dick said .. sometimes it was better to keep your mouth shut..
have a nice month